Perspectives – Tokyo Girls and Presumptive Idle Thinking

With the vaguely sinister idol documentary Tokyo Girls having been shown on the BBC recently people’s ability to have a blinkered perspective on things has been on my mind a lot. I say “vaguley sinsiter” as the director was clearly biased from the outset and when you film a whole documentary and find nothing to back up your view of a sexual motive for the idol industry and you instead show a handshake event and say “to the girls this seems innocent but for the men there is probably a sexual aspect” that doesn’t seem like honest documentary film-making. It feels more like trolling. “Well I found nothing to back up my opinions so I’m just going to presume anyway”. There’s also a part where someone is talking about the young idol still developing in her skills and it’s translated in a way where it’s clear that any western audience will just see it as meaning physically developing and will then exclaim that everyone involved is a pedo. It’s a shame because these kind of sad individuals in the documentary have a story to tell that implies things about Japanese life in general. The work ethos in Japan seems quite harsh and seeing men supporting a young girl because they feel like they have failed but she can succeed says a lot about people’s low self-worth in such an environment.

However the point I want to make in this post is more general. It’s about perspectives and how the media have so much power. So let’s start with Muslims. If you only read newspapers like (in the UK) The Daily Mail or The Sun then you will be familiar with Muslims already. They are all terrorists, rapists or other criminal types who want to impose sharia law on everyone. If however you are a well-rounded intelligent human being you will know that a tiny minority are such things. The author JK Rowling made a good point recently when she said that the Welsh man (or “Welsh terrorist”) that drove to London so he could run over Muslims had been radicalised by the media. In response someone tweeted a photo montage of front page headlines from the last year or two all of which were scare stories about Muslims. Muslims beat up a schoolboy, Muslims in prison forcing others to convert, terrorism, etc. If you were to read these papers day after day then the drip drip effect on your perception of the world around you would likely make you damn paranoid. Yet there are a frightening number of people who read this stuff and judge the entirety of the Muslim population on these news “stories”. I dare say in America there are a hell of a lot of people seeing Mexicans as rapists and drug-dealers now after Trump’s comments in the election campaign. It’s a depressing trait to jump to conclusions with no real understanding or attempt at understanding.

Another area that’s closer to my home is how people from Liverpool are perceived. When I was a teen there was a rather unfunny sitcom called Bread. It was written by a Livepudlian woman and featured a family of unemployed Liverpudlians trying to make money in dodgy ways. It fed into this perception in the rest of the country that everyone in Liverpool was unemployed and a criminal. It’s odd really as the most popular sitcom in the UK was Only Fools and Horses which was about a dodgy Cockney doing much the same. Except with that people just think of cockneys as being a bit dodgy and not the entire city of London. Liverpool had been a very poor city for a long time though and there had been riots in Liverpool (and London simultaneously) in the early 80’s so it’s reputation was quite poor in the wider country. Things took a sinister twist in 1989 when 96 Liverpool Football club supporters were tragically killed in a crush at a football stadium. The blame lies with the police who opened an extra gate just before kick-off in order to get everyone into the stadium in time but this led to a crush. The resulting cover-up relied a lot on the media and especially The Sun newspaper that started printing ridiculous stories about drunken behaviour before the game and “eyewitness” accounts of Liverpool supporters stealing money from the dead or in one case urinating on a dying supporter and laughing. Now due to problems in the UK with football hooliganism in general the public perception of football supporters was quite negative anyway. This, coupled with the impression people in the rest of the UK had of people from Liverpool, made these absurd and incredibly hurtful stories actually believable. They weren’t true but the cover-up was successful for many years until eventually the truth came out in a coroner’s inquest in 2016.

People across the world behave much the same. They base opinions on something just using little snippets of things they see in the media. It’s incredibly frustrating that we aren’t more sophisticated by this stage of our evolution. This leads me to public perceptions of Japan. As a child I grew up in a time when there was still general distrust due to the second world war (even though that had ended many decades earlier). Add to this the Australian tv presenter Clive James showing clips of a Japanese game show that showed contestants going through quite heavy ordeals (it looked a bit like torture but nowadays looks like a tamer version of I’m A Celebrity Get me Out Of Here). Then add to that scare stories in the media about the dangerous new craze coming from Japan. No not Pokemon, anime. I remember a clip on a news program showing a pre-pubescent looking girl about to be sexually attacked by a monster while tied up. ANIME IS DANGEROUS. BAN IT! was the general response of newspapers. Even to this day the myth that anime is sexual and perverse continues with some. The vast majority of it is very ordinary really. Sci-fi or Studio Ghibli. Yet what the public think of when they think of anime is the tiny minority of weirder stuff because that’s what the media would show and in more recent times that’s what gets shared on social media. I remember a clip of a “Japanese game show” doing the rounds on social media a few years ago. It went something like this…there’s an audience of single women and some men on stage. A seat number is drawn and the audience member goes on stage and eventually if answering questions or doing tasks right she gets to perform a sex act on a man. Queue comments of “those perverted Japanese. Look what they do on tv”. Well if someone shared a clip of an American tv show called “America’s Got Sex Talent” where people went on stage and blew the judges would everyone presume it’s real? Of course not. They’d know it’s a porno. The Japanese clip was also a porno but people’s perceptions of Japan are so warped they don’t question. They presume the clip is real. It’d be like Japanese people sharing British porn clips as documentaries and saying “have you seen British women? They’ll fuck any tradesman that calls to their house”.

I’m not trying to claim there isn’t weird sexual fetish stuff going on in Japan. Of course there is. There is in every country. I’m not trying to claim Japan is perfect. Of course it isn’t. No country is. But the western perspective is so negative and so sexually driven. It’s interesting. Following the Tokyo Girls documentary there are people on Twitter talking about how young the girls look. They claim it must be for pedos. Yet sex is never really mentioned in the idol culture. The girls don’t sing about or talk about it. In the west sex is everywhere. If Miley Cyrus is anything like her public persona she must have been clinically diagnosed a nymphomaniac already. Then there was the abundance of lads mags a few years ago. The most hilarious one I remember had squeeky clean Irish pop group Bewitched wearing latex in a photoshoot and talking about sex a lot. Charlotte Church a year ago was complaining about how her pop career was blighted by management trying to sexualise her. Trying to get her to wear certain outfits. I have no doubt that if Japanese idols talked about sex then western non-fans would scream about how disgusting the male fans are. Because they don’t talk about sex and look young by western standards instead non-fans scream it must be for pedos. So to a western perspective everything boils down to sex one way or other. This says more about the west I think.

One thing that makes idols popular in the west I think is that sex isn’t pushed. The idols gain popularity through their personalities whether it be through humour or through weirdness or a massively sunny disposition. I think that’s maybe why there are a lot of young female fans in the west. They don’t feel pressured to conform to sexual stereotyping. They don’t feel like their worth is judged on their ability to please men sexually. Either way when idols work so hard to improve their performances, work so hard with recording sessions, publicity work, concerts, fan meets and so on, when idols work so hard with other types of work too such as acting, musicals, solo DVD shoots, etc, when idols are working so hard to improve themselves and gain success but then western non-fans say it must be sexual, that is really incredibly insulting to the idols. Hey your worth IS just sexual.

Is the idol life perfect? Of course not. There are some horrible fans who are stalkers. There are idols who are dumped when the idol days are over. There are many negatives I’m sure. Although as a H!P fan I’m proud at how the idols go on to other entertainment work when the H!P days are over. Look at Momusu. Kaori is still popping up on tv sometimes, likewise Yuko. Nacchi had a solo album out last year, Yaguchi is still on every tv show in  Japan, Kei does musicals, Tsuji is still popping up on tv, Konkon too. Reina has a group, Miyabi has a group, Airi will have a solo career, Maimi an acting career, Chissa a tv career and so on. The idols are looked after well. The idol period leads to other entertainment work if they want it to. Of course other groups might not have that level of support. But there are clearly positives and negatives just like with any form of entertainment. The problem is Tokyo Idols gives non-fans an impression that isn’t accurate and people love to judge the entirety of something based on very little. As a human trait it has similarities to bullying in as much as, by putting down others you feel better about yourself. Slag off them lot over there and you feel you are superior. It’s a depressing thing. There will be incredibly racist people in Britain feeling a greater sense of identity by hating on Muslims or immigrants. People feeling stronger by hating minorities. What is that if not bullying?

I’m sure there are better examples that could be used for this post but I’m not best placed for them. Maybe being black in certain parts of America for instance? But going back to the idol documentary it’s frustrating that people are ignoring the empathy and emotional attachment fans have for idols, the sense of going on a career journey with them. Instead sex sex sex. Some of it is absurd. The constant mentioning of young teenagers in a documentary about a 21 year old for instance. Non-fans saying she looks young so her fans must be pedos when there are actual young girls they could be following instead. The idea she looks young itself is based entirely on a western perspective. It reminds me of Momusu meeting American group Coconuts Musume for the first time on a tv show. Coconuts were younger but Momusu members were commenting on how mature they looked. Different cultures, different perspectives. Ultimately people are self-serving. The director was. Her interviews make it clear she was biased. Those viewing who have no interest in Japan are happy to use this documentary to make mass generalisations as it makes them feel better to look down on others. That’s pretty self-serving too. It’s a shame. A well-balanced documentary showing the happier types, the drop-outs, the dangers and the benefits of idol culture would be far more interesting to me.

I’d like to finish on a positive note though. The non-we may have all kinds of misconceptions but out there in our own little pockets of social media or even in the “real world”  there are fantastically loving, funny, intelligent, well-balanced, supportive, passionate and caring friends. There are of course some terrible idol fans but there are many fantastic ones that give a great sense of community. These people show the positives of the idol culture just in their personalities. It’s a shame I always feel like I can’t talk about my hobby with non-fans that openly but the friends in the fandom  I have online are fantastic. Haters are missing out on so much that’s positive!

Well this post was kind of rambling but I hope you got my points a little. I’m sure my next blog post will be back to the usual pic-spamming and nonsense. 🙂



9 responses to “Perspectives – Tokyo Girls and Presumptive Idle Thinking

  1. I love your “rambling” posts because of how profound they are.

    I was completely lost about the documentary, only knowing about it through Archejoyo’s tweets, but I had a feeling it was that “lolewjapan” mentality. I encounter similar mindsets between anime non-fans and those upset by the increasing amount of “anime-influenced” art around now.

    I do admit I feel a sense of shame when I “geek out” on J-idol-related stuff on social media and even sometimes with friends (who are amazingly supportive and even edit my posts — and THEY are into things like comics and video games!). I’m slowly getting rid of the feeling that geeking out on idols will put some of my more art/comics-oriented followers off because it’s part of who I am. (Plus, I mentioned that in my Twitter bio….)

    However, one major aim is to build bridges and show that the J-idol scene is more than “quasi-lolicon… content”. (In fact, Japan’s laws are VERY strict in regards to those things.) Every J-idol fan is NOT some sicko who is oggling at young girls. (Like you said, that mentality speaks more to the person SAYING it than the target.)

    I wish I can touch on everything, but you’ve done a great job on this post. Bravo! 👏


    • Thank you!

      A sense of shame over something that is so positive is itself a shame. But people judge sometimes. Building bridges is important and hopefully achievable. Maybe the fact a lot of idols travel to other countries these days plus the success of sort-of-idols like Babymetal will help convince people that the culture isn’t about loli-worship.

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  2. I know I became a fan of idols because they were so different from American music and celebrities. I could relate to them better. After following them for a long time, they were almost like a group of girlfriends I hung out with and had fun with (and since I’m kinda a wallflower, it wasn’t so different from hanging out in real life. XD) Since non-fans don’t experience idols except by very limited, out-of-context means, they could never understand.

    The Western relationship with celebrities is pretty sadistic. It’s like we have two modes of seeing them… during their performances, we might appreciate their talent or get hooked on a song or movie or show, but outside that, on television and social media it’s like we WANT to make fun of them or complain about their life and such. Bullying, as you say. Idols have this one consistent persona we see, so we can’t judge their personal life so much. We don’t get to see their flaws. Or at least truly objectionable ones. But the people who are so used to judging need something to chew on, so they target the fans, seeing the potential of something wrong.

    Society everywhere is too insecure. Just more acceptance would make everyone a lot more happier than more hate. I remember in my geography class at uni, our professor said the non-West views the West, especially Americans, as being overly sexual and violent, because that’s what they see in media. The masses are all the same no matter location and culture. But fortunately there are enough individual people with a mind of their own to share camaraderie with and stay sane. 🙂

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    • Very well said. People have a tendency to judge. I think partly it’s because putting down others makes them feel superior. The media is very powerful and now so is social media. People don’t discuss just presume.

      I got into idols because they were fresh and different. Cute and fun and not sexualised. At the time I discovered them men’s magazines were very popular. They’d be full of female singers being photographed in sexy costumes and interviewed about their sex lives. The press are also always full of the private lives and scandals of the famous. Idols seemed refreshing as they need to push their personalities forward to get noticed but don’t resort to sexual talk or behaviour. It’s still refreshing to me now. Girls not being judged on how sexy they are but getting noticed for their talents or personalities is a good thing.

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  3. New orgs are not the best source of info that’s for sure. I however do have some personal experience with the idol culture that stems from the early eighties– when child idolization was in its infancy let’s say. I write about it often on my blog and in fact wrote my story in book form. In general, the way I see the idol culture is that it normalizes the sexualization of underage girls and leads to more acting out (groping, abuse and molestation behind closed doors etc.). Additionally, because the normalization, those who normally call foul, such as foreigners in Japan, don’t say much at all and even defend the idol culture. Victims inside the culture rarely speak up as it is culturally taboo to do so and therefore statistics are lacking. My Japanese ex is in prison for taking fantasy too far.


    • You obviously have your own personal perspective on the idol culture and I’m sorry you have had a bad experience, what with your ex being in prison. Most of the fans I know in the west are female although I’m aware the majority in Japan are male (I do know male and female Japanese fans too though). In the west there are child abuse stories every day on the news so whether you can say that in Japan the idol culture causes abuse I don’t know. Especially if statistics aren’t really available and if it’s a global problem anyway regardless of culture. In the west I’d say there is a lot of paranoia around paedophilia so there seems to be a lot of conservativism with portrayals of underage people in the media. Yet there is clearly a huge problem both with physical abuse and online images here. I’m tempted to draw the conclusion that the culture makes little difference and that there’s something in the make-up of man that causes abuse regardless. I’m not sure that would be a fair conclusion though.

      The idols I like don’t seem sexualised to me but then how sexual something is would be a very personal viewpoint anyway. Most idol fans I know, whether male or female, seem to stick with their favourites until graduation and often beyond if the idol goes on to a further career. The graduations are usually early to mid 20’s so I don’t really see an underage youth lust aspect there. Then again there are a lot of groups and I don’t care much or have any interest in the 48 type groups. The youth aspect is clearly important though but it seens to me it’s more a longing for lost youth, a desire to vicariously feel that kind of youthful energy and most importantly optimism. It’s a fantasy idea of youth anyway of course as it ignores all the negatuve sides, all the angst and confusion. Yet if it helps people feel a bit happier I don’t see it as a problem. Of course it’s personal experience and perspectives and I doubt we would agree on much here.

      I would say I found the documentary biased and it’s about an adult, something which seemed to be lost on western audiences. My own experiences are of course from a western viewpoint. However most of the fans I know here are refreshingly intelligent and good natured. A world away from certain more aggressive “ladish” type personalities that seem to be into most young (ish) western female singers.


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